Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Another fly in the surrogacy ointment

Lovely, thanks Australian Government who has not consulted anyone with children through surrogacy in any country re new ruling for passports. DFAT, to suggest we may be trafficking children is preposterous.  I am personally in favour of all checks and balances being done to protect children, but why can DFAT make this stupid decision without consulting anyone???? Do you seriously think we would go through so much emotional trauma and pain and financial disadvantage to have our children? Has there ever been one single report of any child being born through surrogacy that  there is suspicion may have been trafficked?

Did I traffick my children?

Did you?

(Insert lots of swear words here)

Did Australian High Commission not review all contracts, and independent legal reports, DNA test - all medical reports stating the agreement was surrogacy and NOT trafficking? And based on that gave citizenship to our children?

Essentially what this new decision means is

1. If you want to renew your born through surrogacy in any country child's passport you have to get permission from your surrogate. If you can't contact your surrogate then you can complete a B9 form.

As the mother of Toby and Mishali, I can no longer sign the form and renew their passport. I guess this is the very first indication from Australian Government that I am not Toby and Mishali's mother.

It seems the affidavit and any document your surrogate has singed in any country in the world means zero.

If I want parental control over my children for passport purposes, I have to go to court and spend  God knows what to get a parenting order OR complete the B9 form.

As a risk taker I am more than happy to thumb my nose at Government bureaucrats anywhere, what if I applied for passport renewal and denied birth was through surrogacy, would they even know? It is conceivable that I could have travelled to India and given birth myself, but I am actually not a liar and I would never do that.

We have a five year passport for Toby, he's fine if we want to travel OS in the next 5 years.

Mishali's emergency passport ran out 3 months ago. This means that if we were to go OS next month or next year, I need to have Mrs M, our beloved surrogate who carried Mishali,  sign the passport application. Mishali's mother - ME!!! - cannot do this. Mrs M would also agree.

Not only that, a child's passport lasts five years, so at age 6 we need a new one for Toby, then again at 11 and again at 16.

The "out" is that you can sign a B9 form, which you can't easily find on the DFAT sire, but here is the link.

https://www.passports.gov.au/Web/SiteIndex.aspx

I am going to test this out and apply for Mishali's new passport ...

FULL LINK  is here: 


http://www.dfat.gov.au/PASSPORTS/SURROGACY/           


Applying for a passport for a child born through surrogacy
Caution
You may wish to seek independent legal advice prior to entering into a surrogacy arrangement. In particular, you should check the laws relating to surrogacy in the Australian state or territory where you live. Commercial surrogacy is unlawful in most states and territories. In addition, current legislation in the Australian Capital Territory, Queensland and New South Wales also makes it an offence for residents to enter into overseas commercial surrogacy arrangements.

If you are considering entering into a surrogacy arrangement overseas, you should check the laws and visa requirements of that country. You should also contact the responsible Australian mission in that country to determine Australian citizenship and Australian visa processing requirements. Please see Fact Sheet 36a – International Surrogacy Arrangements for further information on Australian citizenship and Australian visa requirements.

Extreme caution is exercised by the Australian Government in cases involving surrogacy arrangements that are entered into overseas, so as to ensure that Australia's citizenship and passport provisions are not used to circumvent either adoption laws or other child welfare laws.

General information
If you are applying for a passport for your child born as a result of a surrogacy arrangement, you must lodge a completed child passport application form (Child Passport Application PC4 if lodging in Australia or Overseas Passport Application PC8 if lodging overseas), and provide all required documents at the passport interview (see the PC4 and PC8 for detailed instructions).

You must also complete a Form B4 – Child born through surrogacy. Any false/misleading information used in a passport application may result in a criminal investigation.

Written consent must be provided by each person with parental responsibility for your child, including the surrogate mother (also referred to as birth mother or gestational carrier), before a passport can be issued (see Parental consent below).

You are advised not to commit to international travel before obtaining your child’s passport as the processing times may vary depending on whether the application is lodged with full parental consent and all required documents have been provided.

If your child is an Australian citizen, they should enter Australia on a valid Australian travel document.
You may be contacted for further information to assist in processing the application. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) may disclose information provided in or with a child’s application to any organisation or individual that can verify the information to establish the child’s identity and eligibility for an Australian travel document.

All forms are available from passport offices, online at www.passports.gov.au or through Australia Post outlets and Australian diplomatic missions or consulates overseas. The passport application can be lodged at these same locations.

Parental consent
Australian laws governing the issue of passports to children are designed to protect children from abduction and to safeguard the rights of all people with parental responsibility.

In order to complete the passport application, written consent must be provided by each person with parental responsibility for your child under Australian law (see Application with full parental consent below).

The following written consents should be obtained after the child’s birth and provided as part of the passport application:

   each of the intended parent/s; and
   the surrogate mother.

Where persons with parental responsibility are in separate locations, those who are not lodging the passport application may provide written consent through their nearest passport office or Australian diplomatic mission or consulate.

If you are unable to provide all necessary consents, you may request that the application be referred to a delegate in the Australian Passport Office for consideration under ‘special circumstances’ (see Application without full parental consent below).

Australian court order
Where an Australian court order permits the child to travel internationally, a passport may be issued even in the absence of full parental consent.

Where you have an Australian court order granting you parental responsibility for your child, you may lodge without the consent of the surrogate mother. However, you should note that even where an Australian court order recognises the parental responsibility of the intended parents, the surrogate mother may still retain her parental responsibility. You will be contacted if further information is required to process the application.

Foreign court order
Foreign court orders, even if they remove parental rights of a person, do not override the parental consent requirements under Australian passport law. However, all foreign court orders should be submitted with the application as supporting documentation (see Translation of foreign documents below). They may be taken into account when assessing the application.
Please refer to the Australian Passport Office’s Children and Parental Consent Brochure for further information on foreign court orders.

Application with full parental consent
Where the written consent of the intended parent/s and the surrogate mother has been obtained in the required format, the application is considered to have full parental consent.

Note: An intended parent who does not have a biological link to a child may not be considered to have parental responsibility for the purposes of Australian passports law. Therefore, while highly desirable, their consent is not mandatory prior to the issue of a passport and the application can be considered to have full consent even without their consent. If they do not provide consent, however, their consent may not be sought in the case of future passport applications for their child.

Required documents
You must provide the following documents at the interview for your child’s passport:
   completed child passport application form (PC4 in Australia, PC8 overseas); and
   child’s full original birth certificate*; and
   evidence of the child’s Australian citizenship*; and
   two new colour photographs, with one signed as a true photo of the child by the guarantor*;
   completed Form B4 – Child born through surrogacy; and
   consent from the surrogate mother –
◦                     on a separate PC4 form if lodging in Australia; or
◦                     on a Form B5 –  Child born through surrogacy – supplementary consent if lodging overseas; or
◦                     if overseas and the surrogate mother wishes to attend an Australian mission to lodge her consent, she may do so using a separate PC8 form as her witnessed consent can be confirmed in person by passports staff; and
   supporting documentary evidence of a surrogacy (e.g. a surrogacy agreement or a foreign court order).
*See the PC4 or PC8 application form for detailed instructions on these documents.
Processing time
The normal processing time for a full 5-year validity child’s passport (10 working days from the date of receiving your complete application) will apply.
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Application without full parental consent
Where you have not been able to provide full consent for an application, you should request that the application be considered by a delegate in the Australian Passport Office under ‘special circumstances’ by submitting a completed Form B9 – Child without full parental consent or Australian court order permitting international travel for each person whose consent has not been obtained.
Delegates make their decisions on a case-by-case basis in view of all relevant circumstances. There is no guarantee that a passport will be issued where the consent of all persons with parental responsibility under Australian passports law is absent. Please refer to the Australian Passport Office’s Children and Parental Consent Brochure for information about this process, see: https://www.passports.gov.au/images/parent_consent.pdf

Required documents
You must provide the following document as part of the application for a passport:
   completed child passport application form (PC4 in Australia, PC8 overseas); and
   child’s full original birth certificate*: and
   evidence of the child’s Australian citizenship*; and
   two new colour photographs, with one signed as a true photo of the child by the guarantor*;
   completed Form B9 – Child without full parental consent or Australian court order permitting international travel (one for each person who has not consented); and
   completed Form B4 – Child born as a result of surrogacy; and
   consent from the surrogate mother where possible –
◦    on a separate PC4 form if lodging in Australia; or
◦    on a Form B5 – Child born through surrogacy – supplementary consent if lodging overseas; or
◦    if overseas and the surrogate mother attends an Australian mission to lodge her consent, she may do so using a PC8 form as her consent can be verified in person by passports staff; and
   supporting documentary evidence of a surrogacy (i.e. a surrogacy agreement or a foreign court order).

*See the PC4 or PC8 application form for detailed instructions on these documents.
Processing time

Your child’s passport application will be processed as quickly as possible, however normal processing times (10 working days) do not apply for applications without full parental consent.

Emergency travel
If there is a genuine need for the child to travel within the standard 10 day turnaround time for a full 5-year validity child’s passport and you are lodging an application overseas with full parental consent, you may apply for an emergency passport (up to 12 months validity). A priority processing fee will apply.

Where you have not been able to provide full parental consent, you must wait until you have been notified of the delegate’s decision. Once you have been notified that a passport has been approved for issue, if there is a need to travel within the standard 10 day turnaround time for a full 5-year validity child’s passport, you may apply for an emergency passport if lodging overseas. A priority processing fee will apply.

It is advisable to apply for a full 5-year validity child’s (FVP) passport at the same time as applying for an emergency passport if possible. You may collect the FVP from a passport office in Australia (or nearest Australian mission) on presentation and cancellation of the emergency passport.
If you are lodging an application in Australia with full parental consent and you have an urgent need to travel, you may obtain a full 5-year validity child’s passport on payment of a priority processing fee.

Subsequent passport applications
The written consent of all persons with parental responsibility for a child’s passport must be obtained for each new passport application until the child turns 18 years old.
In some cases, an Australian court order has been issued which may have the effect of extinguishing the surrogate mother’s parental responsibility, therefore her consent to the issue of a passport may no longer be required.

In other cases, it may be difficult to obtain the surrogate mother’s written consent for future passport applications. If it is not possible to provide all parental consents, an application should be lodged under special circumstances (via a Form B9 - Child without full parental consent or Australian court order permitting international travel). See Application without full parental consent above.

Translation of foreign documents
If a foreign language document (birth certificate, court order, surrogacy agreement etc) is being submitted, a full translation provided by a translating and interpreting service recognised by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) or the Australian diplomatic or consular mission overseas must be provided with the document.
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32 comments:

Gary said...

Good to see Meg that you have looked at this lightly by the Aussie Govt thinking you are not Mishali or Toby's mother.
I'd be fuming if someone said I am not the parent and I'm sure you are too. Hopefully the govt changes their policy. Never ending changes to both Indian and Australian laws won't stop people like me having a child.

Saskia said...

Such a load of w*** - surely the term surrogate implies that the 'birth mother' has given over all parental rights?. How can someone, not even genetically related to the child born through surrogacy claim any 'ownership' over the child?. Absolute BS.
Australia has just stepped back in time and 50 years, this rubbish just makes my blood boil!. gggrrrrr

Amani (Meg) said...

It's all okay, just a bunch of bureaucrats that make decisions on behalf of families without checking facts, or consulting with anyone who knows anything. Who is going to show up at my door and try and take Toby and Mishi from us? Their dad lives here, he has full right as pa parent. Maybe I don't but a court in Aus will always find on the best interests of the children and that means if it ever came to that, any court would find me mum.

Anonymous said...

OMG. What if the surrogate mother died? Or untraceable? We can't get a passport for our son? Does it applies for renewal as well? WTF...

Anonymous said...

Pls let us know how'd you go meg as we are thinking of renewing our sons passport soon.

SuzieBen said...

I simply cannot believe what I am reading. Who the *&%$ do they think they are to say we do not have parental consent to decide where we can take OUR children. I am their mother!

What is driving this??? What am I missing?

I am one very upset and confused Mum!

Amani (Meg) said...

Complete the B9 form, Bob will be after 24 April when this comes in ... we can't find Mishali's surro mum. What are they going to do about it? Sadly, the only thing we can do to challenge this and apply for new passports as mum ourselves and get rejected then take it to some court or other, I just don't know.

just so happy to have my little ones in bed next to me right now, they know who mum is

SuzieBen said...

Well said Meg! They know who Mum is and that's what matters!

Anonymous said...

I am angry, I am very angry but most of all I am sad. So this is the way Australian government is going to treat our children, as second class citizens and by creating a subclass called children born through surrogacy.
SHAME ON THEM.
Haven't they learnt anything from their past? In years to come who is going to give an apology speech to our kids?

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen any one post this , I don't think this has any thing to do with the children . This is all about control of the surrogacy market . And India is been blind sided out of the market . The amount money that gay's and single bring to this market is ridiculous and the Australia and all the other country know this . Their making all these carzy accusations with no foundation come on now child trafficking . I pray to GOD THAT INDIA SEE THAT BY HELPING SINGLE AND GAY'S is a great Financial BLESSING FOR Their country.And also a BLESSING TO GOOD PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP.

Tom said...

No doubt it will critical for all Australian passport renewal applicants to complete the B9 form in the same way. Personally I think it would probably be a false and misleading statement to list a surrogate in India as the other person with parental responsibility. Why? Children born to foreigners through commercial surrogacy in India are born 'stateless' (ie without citizenship of India) which confirms the Indian government does not recognise a genetically unrelated surrogate as having parental rights of the child. As you have pointed out, this is further supported by other notarised Indian legal documentation that verifies the surrogate's recognition before conception and after the birth that she has agreed to enter into a commercial arrangement to gestate a genetically unrelated child for someone else and accordingly has no parental rights from the outset of the contract. (From memory, cases in the Indian Courts have tested and verified this.) As a result, the surrogate's name does not appear on the birth certificate as the mother. It is patently unclear then how anyone could argue to the Australian Government or DFAT that the surrogate mother actually has parental rights.

It would be great if a peak organisation like Surrogacy Australia could formally confirm with DFAT that they (DFAT) cannot accept the listing of surrogates in India as the other person with parental rights.

Anonymous said...

Wonder what Nicole Kidman thinks about this new law and her surro baby? Just saying... Maybe someone should ask her. Very sad.

Anonymous said...

Meg, this absolutely boggles the mind ! It trumps all that the Indian bureaucracy has done. How can one bestow parental rights to a gestational carier and undermine the legal rights of biologic parents ? This is a huge leap backwards. Someone somewhere is working on an agenda to discourage surrogacy big-time. Were there hints of this or has every-one been blind-sided?

New Year Dreaming said...

Let us know how you go Meg.....Andrew and I are also quite angry about this......Andrew's professional skills includes lobbying politicians so if we can do that we will.....

Tigerlilycat said...

Seriously, WTF?!?! When did this additional requirement come in? We got new passports for the boys in January without any of this. And yep, Surrogacy Australia and lawyer Stephen Page need to become involved / be consulted in the first place.

Tigerlilycat said...

This new requirement starts on 24/4/2013, so lodge a new passport application for Mishali NOW Meg!!

Choco Mayan said...

Wow..what was the point of doing this? Why they are so anti-surrogacy? Do they think we go thru so much pain and struggle just to stay skinny and not carry baby?

SKhan said...

Doesn't the Australian government have anything better to do with their time? Are you able to do a step parent adoption? Here in the US completing the adoption allows me to have the same rights as Lee and officially voids our surrogates right in the US governments view.

Amani (Meg) said...

Our surrogates have done their wonderful amazing job, Australian Government should accept the affidavit they signed giving any parental rights to us and not bother them til our kids turn 18. What's next Aus Govt? Shall you impose conditions our surrogates have to fly to Australia any time we want to make a medical decision on behalf of our children. Short sighted. We need to be prepared to challenge this, working with a few lawyers to figure out how to go about this. Will let everyone know who they can write letters of disgust to.

Anonymous said...

What is absolutely ironic is that research indicates that up to 10 percent of children in marriages don't have the father they think they have, but no DNA testing, passports issued, no bother!!
Absolute discrimination.
I think surrogate sounds much nicer than 'gestational carrier', but in legalese gestational carrier is a more accurate term. Nicole Kidman used it in her press release, and copped a lot of flak over it.
Keep up your good work, Meg.

Oddity Acres Clan said...

"An intended parent who does not have a biological link to a child may not be considered to have parental responsibility for the purposes of Australian passports law."


While this is jst one part of that bunch of utter garbage I have just read from the government.. it says it all doesnt it.

The Australian Government doesnt recognise parentage. I am disgusted, horrified and so full of hate at the moment.

My heart goes out to all of you and your families. Meg, you are one fierce Mumma Bear. Take no prisoners on this one... Challenge this!

Brian White said...

Are you sure you are not looking in to this too deeply and over worrying yourself for no reason ?

When I returned with my twins from India to Australia, the babies already had Australian Passports, and Australian Citizenship (Requirement to get Australian Passport), I have, in no way signed this form you have dug up. I think this form is for when the surrogate's name is on the Birth Certificate (As in Australia, Any baby born through surrogacy, is a baby of the SURROGATE mother, and her partner).

This is part of the reason why people go to INDIA, because the names of the IP's are the names listed on the Birth certificate, and thus legal guardianship of the Babies. Yes, I needed permission, via signed declaration from the surrogate, that she did not oppose the child getting citizenship and passport to leave India, it was part of the paperwork needed because she was a signatory on the surrogacy contract. But having said which, now the children are back in Australia, I have Birth Certificates with my wife and I listed as Parents (No mention of Surrogacy), and Citizenship by Descent (No mention of Surrogacy), so I have no idea where this form comes in to play.

Right now, I have applied for (and been granted) Family Tax part A, Family Tax part B, Baby bonus, and Dad & Partner pay, with none of the paperwork showing it was through surrogacy. Even the Emergency Passports I have for them make no mention of surrogacy.

The link to DFAT passports / Surrogacy even says.....

"In some cases, an Australian court order has been issued which may have the effect of extinguishing the surrogate mother’s parental responsibility, therefore her consent to the issue of a passport may no longer be required."

You do not need a court order to extinguish the surrogate mothers parental responsibility, That was already done when the Birth Certificate was issued with YOUR NAME on the Birth Certificate. Just that, as a signatory to the agreement, she had to sign away her rights for Citizenship and passport to be given to the baby. Now you are out of the country it is NOT needed.

Don't see in to it too deeply.

My opinion is thus.

Go to passports.gov.au and apply for a child passport.

You will need Birth certificate, Citizenship certificate, and Both parental signatures.

Birth certificate (Indian certificate) lists Mrs Amani, and Mr Bob as PARENTS, Citizenship papers prove Citizenship, Parental (Yours) signatures are present.., Passports issued.

https://www.passports.gov.au/Web/Newppt/ApplyingU18.aspx

Go here, it says NOTHING about surrogacy.

Please, Please don't look in to the bureaucracy deeply, it only confuses people.

Its only meant for SURROGACY cases where the BIRTH MOTHER (Surrogate) is listed on the Birth Certificates, that is why India lists the IP's as Parents on the certificates, and the surrogate signs away her LEGAL responsibilities under the CONTRACT.

Tigerlilycat said...

The more I think about this, the more WTFs come to mind. Surely this 'concern' of the Australian govt should have been fully dealt with during the citizenship application process?? - "Extreme caution is exercised by the Australian Government in cases involving surrogacy arrangements that are entered into overseas, so as to ensure that Australia's citizenship and passport provisions are not used to circumvent either adoption laws or other child welfare laws". Um, please tell me how I'm circumventing ANYTHING when at least one of us is biologically related to the child. Does this department even understand their own processes / requirements??

I can't believe that, 3.5 years after our two were born, I'm suddenly not good enough / acceptable / whatever to make a decision re an overseas trip. I get what they're trying to achieve, but I don't live in a state where overseas surrogacy is banned - and if I did, my two were born before the law changed. This policy would have to make more sense if it was for children born after xx (month) and xx (year). The most sense it would make is to scrap it fully.

Ready to fight the fight.

Tigerlilycat said...

ps - also very concerned that our kids have an indicator against their names in the DFAT system!!

Tigerlilycat said...

...and don't even get me started on the surrogate having parental responsibilities!! She definitely does - to her own children.

100% agree with Tom that we all need to use the same wording on the applications until this mess is sorted out. DFAT is a large organisation and more than one person will be reviewing these applications.

Tom said...

Here are some questions for Australian parents of children born through commercial surrogacy in India (only) to ask their federal MP who will then refer them on to federal Minister Senator Bob Carr. Being an election year there should be a quick-ish response! It's quite possible that DFAT will have to re-evaluate its legal position in respect to Indian surrogates being automatically considered as responsible parents.

1. What Australian legislation deems that a non-Australian commercial surrogate in India is a legally responsible parent of a genetically unrelated child when Indian domestic law does not recognise the same?

2 What Australian legislation deems that a non-Australian commercial surrogate in India is a legally responsible parent of a child when that person and her husband have formally waived (under Indian contractual law) any possible claim of parental rights?
If a commercial surrogate in India is considered to be a responsible parent why isn’t her name listed on the child’s birth certificate?

3 What Australian legislation does DFAT believe over-rides Indian contractual law in India and the surrogate’s waiving of parental rights? When was it enacted? Does it apply retrospectively?

4 What international law or convention allows the Australian government to disregard Indian legal agreements between Australians and Indian surrogates working in India under Indian contractual law?

5 When applying for citizenship by descent for their child, Australians in India have to provide legal advice from specialist Indian lawyers which both confirms the veracity of the surrogacy contract and the fact that neither the surrogate or her husband have any parental claim over the child. What is the point of this costly formality if DFAT doesn’t accept this advice when it comes to passport renewals and international travel?

6 Is the legal advice that underpins DFAT’s policy position about surrogates available to the public?

Amani (Meg) said...

What is the use of an apostille stamp if Australian Government doesn't recognsie it? Does everyone have their birth certificates apostilled?

Amani (Meg) said...

Brian I will be applying for Mishali's passport after 24th April to test it out, same as I did Toby's before this confusion came about, with me and Bob signing application as parents - will let everyone know how we go.

Brian White said...

Yes Amani, do it.

Apply after the 24th, using the Web application form for child, (Fill out online, then print out and sign), and follow the paper trail. Birth Certificate, Citizenship (Both of which you had to enter Australia when coming home), get the pictures endorsed, and the guarantor section completed, then submit.

I still think that this 'New' legislation for passports, still refers to situations where (Either here or overseas) the BIRTH MOTHER was listed on the Birth Certificate, because under Australian Law, Those persons listed on the Birth Certificates are the LEGAL parents of the baby/ies, and in cases of Surrogacy here (And some other countries), the Genetic parents are NOT the legal parents until so ordered by a court of law. But as we all know who have done Surrogacy in India, The surrogate signs her rights away, and the IP's are listed as Parents (And the legal rights that come with it). The reason High Commission in New Delhi needs so much paperwork is to make sure that it was all above board and legal (Under the child exploitation and trafficking legislation).

In this case, you have Birth Certificates, with *YOU* as the parents, and no mention of Surrogacy, and Australian Citizenship for the children, again, which carries no mention of Surrogacy. In my non legal opinion, it matters not if DFAT have it on record that your babies were born through Surrogacy, According to the BIRTH CERTIFICATES, *YOU* are the LEGAL parents.

Did you know, (And I only just found this out), under Centrelink rules (and family services), If a person is listed as a Parent on the Birth Certificate, but is NOT genetically related and not living with the babies, Child Support can be pursued for maintenance ? (a friend in Child Services told me) and is also a criteria for Family Tax A and B.

So if you go to India as a single, but in order to try and avoid the new changes regarding Single and Gay Couples you list a friend as a parent to look like a couple, Centrelink can (and in most cases will) make you sue the other parent for maintenance if they are not living with you.

The Government is stacked sky high in bureaucracy, and this is one of them. But its also a poorly worded change.

Apply for the passports, Birth certificates list YOU as the parents, get the photos witnessed, and guarantor signed, and submit. You will not be hassled.

Brian White said...

oohhh, sorry forgot to mention my babies Birth certificates.

When you say apostatized, do you mean the wax stamp like you get with the Australian Citizenship certificate? Because all I got was the Birth certificate with just a plain ink stamp (no apostle), and it was enough for High Commission New Delhi, and Consulate in Mumbai to issue Citizenship and passports respectively.

Tigerlilycat said...

Ok, email queries to be sent to passport.operations@dfat.gov.au

The real issue seems to be who has 'parental responsibility' and the passport office just advised me this is those on birth certificate, court order or have assumed parental responsibility (ie grandparents). As we know, for India the surrogate isn't on the birth certificate - but in other countries she is (Thailand, US if pre-birth orders not issued). So we need DFAT to clarify this new policy and provide examples.

Lisa

Gcfamily Samoza Baby said...

What the hell is going on out there? The world has suddenly turned completely against surrogacy without any open discussion or debate. After everything we have all been through to now be told that it doesn't count really hurts...

Looking forward to hearing from you meg regards the passport renewals...thanks for your hard work x